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=General= | =General= | ||
− | All blood magic is [[Disciplines#Restricted | restricted]]. | + | All blood magic is [[Disciplines#Restricted | restricted]], unless explicitly stated otherwise.. |
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+ | Whenever blood magic mentions a 'teacher', it must be a PC vampire teacher who did not themselves need a teacher for it, and applies to all levels, other rules to the contrary notwithstanding. | ||
Primary path is generally limited to certain choices, and increases automatically with the discipline (ask staff to update your +sheet for clarity). | Primary path is generally limited to certain choices, and increases automatically with the discipline (ask staff to update your +sheet for clarity). | ||
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* Whispers of the Heavens | * Whispers of the Heavens | ||
− | Dur-An-ki also has these paths in common with Thaumaturgy (set "Has Thaumaturgy Paths" = 1 in chargen): | + | Dur-An-ki also has these paths in common with Thaumaturgy (See Assamite Revised, pg. #73 for list; set "Has Thaumaturgy Paths" = 1 in chargen): |
* Elemental Mastery | * Elemental Mastery | ||
* Hands of Destruction | * Hands of Destruction | ||
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* Thaumaturgical Weather Control | * Thaumaturgical Weather Control | ||
* The Focused Mind | * The Focused Mind | ||
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+ | Dur-An-ki also has rituals in common with Thaumaturgy (See Assamite Revised, pg. #73 for that list) | ||
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− | Assamite sorcerers may learn other blood magic with a | + | Assamite sorcerers may learn other blood magic with a teacher, but: |
* XP cost is increased by half (round up) | * XP cost is increased by half (round up) | ||
* Paths require +1 blood | * Paths require +1 blood | ||
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* Roll Intelligence + Occult vs (3 + level) | * Roll Intelligence + Occult vs (3 + level) | ||
* Occult Library background does apply | * Occult Library background does apply | ||
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! References | ! References | ||
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+ | * For wangateurs, treated as "out of clan" for purposes of chargen (requires freebies) and XP costs, unless targeted by Additional Discipline merit. | ||
The following house rules are ''currently under consideration'' and may or may not be adopted: | The following house rules are ''currently under consideration'' and may or may not be adopted: | ||
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* Thaumaturgical Alchemy | * Thaumaturgical Alchemy | ||
* The Focused Mind | * The Focused Mind | ||
− | and this path in common with Ahku ( | + | and this path in common with Ahku (set "Has Ahku Paths" = 1 in chargen): |
* The Snake Inside | * The Snake Inside | ||
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* '''The Focused Mind 4''' (Dual Thought): Can't be used for two mental disciplines in same turn, but can stack with Celerity. | * '''The Focused Mind 4''' (Dual Thought): Can't be used for two mental disciplines in same turn, but can stack with Celerity. | ||
* '''The Focused Mind 5''' (Perfect Clarity): Bonus to your actions is limited to either -1 diff on all actions or -2 diff on mental actions (i.e. dice pool includes mental attribute). | * '''The Focused Mind 5''' (Perfect Clarity): Bonus to your actions is limited to either -1 diff on all actions or -2 diff on mental actions (i.e. dice pool includes mental attribute). | ||
+ | * All '''Ward vs _____''' rituals have corresponding '''Warding Circle vs _____''' rituals, even if not explicitly listed in canon. | ||
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! References | ! References | ||
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** Leaving the Sabbat gives you the Double Betrayer flaw (Tremere 67) but does not remove the mark. | ** Leaving the Sabbat gives you the Double Betrayer flaw (Tremere 67) but does not remove the mark. | ||
* Sabbat Thaumaturgy (GttSabbat 116-121, other sources at staff discretion) is available to Sabbat Tremere. | * Sabbat Thaumaturgy (GttSabbat 116-121, other sources at staff discretion) is available to Sabbat Tremere. | ||
− | ** Non-Sabbat Tremere require a | + | ** Non-Sabbat Tremere require a teacher. |
** Non-Tremere with their own versions of some parts (e.g. Assamite sorcerers) have normal access to those parts. | ** Non-Tremere with their own versions of some parts (e.g. Assamite sorcerers) have normal access to those parts. | ||
==Wanga== | ==Wanga== | ||
+ | {| | ||
+ | | style="vertical-align: top; width: 50%; padding-right: 25px" | | ||
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+ | {| class="wikitable" | ||
+ | ! Restricted to | ||
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+ | * Serpents of the Light (Sabbat bloodline of Followers of Set) | ||
+ | * Samedi | ||
+ | * Tremere | ||
+ | * Others can learn it from a teacher, but only these groups can take it in chargen | ||
+ | * For anyone who didn't declare belief in wanga during chargen, all Wanga rolls are +1 diff and have a die-showing-1 added to the result | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | ! Primary path | ||
+ | | Any listed | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | ! Secondary paths | ||
+ | | No restrictions beyond XP cost. | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | ! Path powers | ||
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+ | * Spend a blood point (except The Flow of Ashe) | ||
+ | * Roll Willpower vs (3 + level) | ||
+ | * Botch = lose a '''permanent''' Willpower (+request) | ||
+ | * Occult Library background does not apply (roll doesn't include Occult) | ||
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+ | ! Rituals | ||
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+ | * Default duration is (5 * level) minutes | ||
+ | * Roll Intelligence + Occult vs (3 + level) | ||
+ | ** With believing participants (at least 2 * level) besides caster, roll is -1 diff, but it takes longer; default duration is (30 * level) minutes | ||
+ | ** NPCs from Cult background (2 per dot) count as 'believing participants' for this purpose | ||
+ | * Occult Library background does apply | ||
+ | * Rituals in common with Thaumaturgy (Blood Sacrifice 81): wards/defenses, divinations, bone-related rituals, curses from a distance | ||
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+ | ! References | ||
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+ | * Blood Sacrifice chapter 4 | ||
+ | |} | ||
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+ | | style="vertical-align: top" | | ||
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+ | All paths listed in '+liststats wangapaths' as of 3/29/2020: | ||
+ | * Orisha's Fortune | ||
+ | * The Flow of Ashe | ||
+ | * Voice of the Wild | ||
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+ | Wanga also has these paths in common with Thaumaturgy (set "Has Thaumaturgy Paths" = 1 in chargen): | ||
+ | * Lure of Flames (Blood Sacrifice 75) | ||
+ | * Path of Blood | ||
+ | * Path of Conjuring | ||
+ | * Path of Corruption | ||
+ | * Path of Curses | ||
+ | * Spirit Manipulation | ||
+ | * Thaumaturgical Weather Control (Blood Sacrifice 75) | ||
+ | and these paths in common with Ahku (Followers of Set 71, set "Has Ahku Paths" = 1 in chargen): | ||
+ | * The Dry Nile | ||
+ | * The Snake Inside | ||
+ | |} | ||
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+ | * Treated as "out of clan" for purposes of chargen (requires freebies) and XP costs, unless targeted by Additional Discipline merit. | ||
[[Category:Vampire]] | [[Category:Vampire]] | ||
[[Category:Stats]] | [[Category:Stats]] |
Latest revision as of 20:56, 9 November 2021
Contents
General
All blood magic is restricted, unless explicitly stated otherwise..
Whenever blood magic mentions a 'teacher', it must be a PC vampire teacher who did not themselves need a teacher for it, and applies to all levels, other rules to the contrary notwithstanding.
Primary path is generally limited to certain choices, and increases automatically with the discipline (ask staff to update your +sheet for clarity).
Secondary paths are not available in chargen (because they have no baseline or freebie cost), and are generally limited by type of blood magic.
Blood magicians start with one free ritual at each level, but only during chargen.
- Example: If you start with Thaumaturgy 2, you also start with one level 1 ritual and one level 2 ritual. If you then raise Thaumaturgy to 3 with XP, you don't get a free level 3 ritual.
- Exception: Abyss Mysticism does not give free rituals.
- Learning a ritual generally requires learning the discipline at an equal/higher level first. (VtM 182)
Ghouls may learn blood magic, but get no Subrace discounts and are otherwise limited per '+rules ghouls', '+rules buying disciplines', and '+rules multiclass' as usual.
Thaumaturgical Countermagic (GttCam 108): Cannot be taken in chargen. Counts as a path for Tremere, a proprietary discipline (requires a teacher) for anyone else.
Specific types
Abyss Mysticism
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Ahku
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All paths listed in '+liststats ahkupaths' as of 3/29/2020:
Ahku also has these paths in common with Thaumaturgy (set "Has Thaumaturgy Paths" = 1 in chargen):
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- Treated as "out of clan" for purposes of chargen (requires freebies) and XP costs, unless targeted by Additional Discipline merit.
- Anyone who has wraith sight active, and successfully detects Ahku via Awareness, will detect that a soul is being tortured. This may lead to risk escalation.
Dur-An-Ki
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All paths listed in '+liststats durankipaths' as of 3/29/2020:
Dur-An-ki also has these paths in common with Thaumaturgy (See Assamite Revised, pg. #73 for list; set "Has Thaumaturgy Paths" = 1 in chargen):
Dur-An-ki also has rituals in common with Thaumaturgy (See Assamite Revised, pg. #73 for that list) |
Assamite sorcerers may learn other blood magic with a teacher, but:
- XP cost is increased by half (round up)
- Paths require +1 blood
- Rituals require triple the time and +1 success for any given result
Koldunic Sorcery
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All paths listed in '+liststats koldunicpaths' as of 3/29/2020:
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Necromancy
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All paths listed in '+liststats necropaths' as of 3/28/2020:
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- For wangateurs, treated as "out of clan" for purposes of chargen (requires freebies) and XP costs, unless targeted by Additional Discipline merit.
The following house rules are currently under consideration and may or may not be adopted:
- Necromancy is divided into schools (Giovanni, Pisanob, Voudoun).
- Each PC has one primary school. (Giovanni/Pisanob may switch during chargen, or existing PCs within a month after this becomes official.)
- Paths outside your primary school are uncommon but allowed.
- Rituals outside your primary school are +1 difficulty.
- Harbingers of Skulls and Nagaraja are n/a (we don't allow PCs from these clans).
- Gilberti is n/a ("their racism makes them better" belongs in the Gypsy bucket).
- Reference: Rites of the Blood (V20) 85-86
- PCs learning Necromancy via Wanga:
- May have more significant issues with being ridden by loa. (needs book/page reference and more details)
- Penalties for learning Wanga post-chargen also apply to Necromancy.
- Cannot raise Necromancy higher than Wanga.
- Limit secondary paths generally, not just Bone Path and Ash Path:
- Cannot learn a secondary path until you reach Necromancy 3.
- Cannot learn additional secondary paths until you learn Necromancy 5.
- Existing PCs above this limit keep what they have, but cannot further increase those paths until their Necromancy is high enough.
Sadhana
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All paths listed in '+liststats sadhanapaths' as of 3/29/2020:
Sadhana also has these paths in common with Thaumaturgy (set "Has Thaumaturgy Paths" = 1 in chargen):
and this path in common with Ahku (set "Has Ahku Paths" = 1 in chargen):
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- Treated as "out of clan" for purposes of chargen (requires freebies) and XP costs, unless targeted by Additional Discipline merit.
Thaumaturgy
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All paths listed in '+liststats thaumpaths' as of 3/28/2020, Sabbat Thaumaturgy highlighted:
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Sabbat Thaumaturgy
- Goratrix and all his descendants were wiped out in 1998 (Tremere 42-43), but PCs may still claim the 'House Goratrix' name and may have been Embraced earlier (by a non-Goratrix).
- Other Tremere may also work with the Sabbat under the table without joining them, subject to ICC if ICly caught.
- Tremere who have ever had a Vinculum (Vaulderie) blood-tie are automatically visible as such to other Tremere. (Tremere 43)
- This is not subject to '+rules sniping', as it does not require using a power.
- Removing the blood-tie does not remove the mark.
- Leaving the Sabbat gives you the Double Betrayer flaw (Tremere 67) but does not remove the mark.
- Sabbat Thaumaturgy (GttSabbat 116-121, other sources at staff discretion) is available to Sabbat Tremere.
- Non-Sabbat Tremere require a teacher.
- Non-Tremere with their own versions of some parts (e.g. Assamite sorcerers) have normal access to those parts.
Wanga
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All paths listed in '+liststats wangapaths' as of 3/29/2020:
Wanga also has these paths in common with Thaumaturgy (set "Has Thaumaturgy Paths" = 1 in chargen):
and these paths in common with Ahku (Followers of Set 71, set "Has Ahku Paths" = 1 in chargen):
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- Treated as "out of clan" for purposes of chargen (requires freebies) and XP costs, unless targeted by Additional Discipline merit.