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Attempts at a draft on how casting rules might work.
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This is just a guideline to how I, [[Cross]]' Player, handle casting times with [[Cross]]. You are welcome to join me or laugh at me.  
  
== Currently, this is how casting is described in the main book.==
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== '''What is casting time?''' ==
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Casting time is the amount of time it takes for your character to pull off a single arete roll. Effects can be comprised of single arete roll, or extended into multiple arete rolls. There are two main styles of casting.
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1. Combat Casting - Casting within the time lines of combat (3-5 seconds per roll)
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2. Ritual Casting - Casting outside of combat. (One hour(ish) per roll)
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Each one has an advantage and a disadvantage as described below.
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== '''Combat Casting''' ==
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Combat Casting is when you cast at the speed of combat. This is one arete roll per round of combat.
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Combat casting is quick and dirty, and as a result it has a penalty that does not apply to ritual casting. Every roll after the first roll increases the diff by 1 unless you achieve the full intended effect. (As listed on Mage charts under the Degrees of Success option.)
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Here is a guideline to an example of all the steps of Combat Casting.
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EXAMPLE:
  
 
Step1: Declare intention.
 
Step1: Declare intention.
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Hypothetical2: Jane rolls again, at Difficulty 8. She only gets one success. She can now go to difficulty 9 and try again, or  unleash the effect with a 'semifunctional' state. I tend to rule this as going off weaker then intended. (2 successes: 1 to target person, 1 for 2 damage).
 
Hypothetical2: Jane rolls again, at Difficulty 8. She only gets one success. She can now go to difficulty 9 and try again, or  unleash the effect with a 'semifunctional' state. I tend to rule this as going off weaker then intended. (2 successes: 1 to target person, 1 for 2 damage).
  
The above listed is pretty close to accurate for how magic is described in the book. All the rolls take one round to do. This is by the book.
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== '''Ritual Casting''' ==
  
==Conjecture==
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Ritual Casting is when your character takes a great length of time to focus and work on his or her effect. This can be anywhere from an hour to hours per roll of arete. This is used best with the assistance of other mages or acolytes to perform the ritual. described in almost every rote or extended effect that involves a lot of work. (The Iron Avatar Rote, summoning in powerful Umbroods, breaking the Dreamshell, etc, etc). Mechanics for it can be a bit harder to find. Here is what I use.
 
 
 
 
Now here is where it gets wonky. There is mention in the books of extended rolls. Of rituals taking many hours to complete with many mages. Of some rotes and effects taking days to pull off, etc, etc, etc. The issue with these claims is that.... why would anyone ever want to cast hours at a time, when you can do the exact same thing rounds at a time? I've never managed to see an effect that -needed- to be done over hours.
 
Precedents for the below:
 
 
 
1. Forged by Dragon Fires states that for every roll to craft an item it takes one hour. There is no mention of the difficulty increasing on rolls after the first. You continue to use the same difficulty.  
 
 
 
2. Page 217 of Core Revised Mage Ruleback described extended actions. "For example, if your character attempts to summon a powerful Umbrood, each roll might represent an hour of chanting, gesturing, and reciting incantations." It mentions Chapter Six frequently refer to extended actions when describing difficult or lengthy tasks. I found nothing representing magic casting, or again why someone would not just do it under 'combat' casting rules, of 1 round per action. (Unless a ST demands they do it that way, which... Well, we don't have STs.)
 
 
 
== WARNING: EVERYTHING BELOW THIS POINT IS  NOT A RULE ==
 
 
 
 
 
My proposition!
 
 
 
Two types of Casting, known going forwards as Combat Casting and Ritual Casting. Combat Casting follows all of the
 
rules listed above, as the book describes magic. Ritual Casting follows it mostly, with the following distinctions.
 
  
 
- Every roll takes one hour minimum.  
 
- Every roll takes one hour minimum.  
  
- The -1 difficulty for taking 'several turns' would not apply in this case, as you are already taking several hundred turns per roll. Alternatively, sure it can apply! But it might be something crazy like a day per roll.
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- The -1 difficulty for taking 'several turns' would not apply in this case, as you are already taking several hundred turns per roll. Alternatively, sure it can apply! But it might be something crazy like a day per roll of arete.  
  
- The difficulty of a spells does not increase unless a Mage botches or garners 0 successes on a roll.
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- The difficulty of an arete roll does not increase unless a Mage botches or garners 0 successes on an arete roll. At which point, it increases by 1.  
  
- You may only ritual for a number of hours(rolls) equal to your temporary willpower at the moment you start the effect.
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- You may only ritual for a number of hours(arete rolls) equal to your temporary willpower at the moment you start the effect.  
  
- If you have High Ritual (Guide to traditions) you may roll High Ritual + Stamina, and treat your willpower as 1 higher for each success.
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- If you have High Ritual (Guide to traditions) you may roll High Ritual + Stamina, and treat your willpower as 1 higher for each success. This can only be done once, at the beginning of the ritual.
  
- If you want to cast beyond the limit of your stamina, you roll stamina+high ritual vs 6 for the first hour beyond your limit. Then vs 7 for the second, vs 8 for the third, vs 9 for the fourth, vs 10 for the fifth. At this point, you can not cast any more without expending 1 WP per roll (Taking away the ability to use the WP to gain an auto-success on the casting)
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- If you want to cast beyond the limit of your stamina, you roll stamina+high ritual vs 6 for the first hour beyond your limit. Then vs 7 for the second, vs 8 for the third, vs 9 for the fourth, vs 10 for the fifth. At this point, you can not cast any more without expending 1 WP per roll (Taking away the ability to use the WP to gain an auto-success/recover from botch on the casting)
  
Example of Ritual Casting
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EXAMPLE:
  
Jane wants to get 20 successes to completely reprogram Johns brain using mind5. Jane has willpower 3, and Arete 5.
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Step1: Declare intention.
Vulgar 4 + Mind 5 (For simplicity, we'll go with nothing special being added on.
 
  
Hour 1 - 1 success
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Example: Jane wants to teleport herself to China
  
Hour 2 - 3 successes
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Step2: Math it out.
  
Hour 3 - 2 successes  
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Example: Jane needs .... 9 successes? Sure, lets say 9. 
  
Jane rolls stamina vs 6 and gets any amount of successes
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Step3: Roll it.
 
 
Hour 4- 1 success
 
 
 
Jane rolls stamina vs 7 and gets any amount of successses
 
  
Hour 5 - 0 successes. (Difficulty goes up to 10)
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Example: Jane rolls Arete 3 at Diff 7(vulgar4+3corr). She gets 1 success.
  
Jane rolls stamina vs 8 and gets any successes
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Step4: Keep rolling it.
  
Hour 6 - Botch. Jane spends WP to avoid taking it (Only once per effect) Janes difficulty is now 11, requiring her
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Example:  Jane rolls Arete 3 at Diff 7(vulgar4+3corr). She gets 2 successes.
to lower it with quintessence to continue
 
  
Jane rolls stamina vs 9 and gets any successes
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Step5: Keep on doing this until she gets total required successes.
  
Hour 7- Botch.
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Hypothetical1: Jane gets up to 7 successes(On 6 rolls, requiring 6 hours) then she botches. She spends one WP to avoid the botch, and drops to 6 successes. She continues to roll, and botches again. Now she has a total of 7 hours into the casting. She takes paradox equal to 7(number of rolls)+Standard amount for botching a vulgar sphere3 effect.
  
Jane now takes 6 paradox for Vulgar with Witness botch (5mind + 1). Because its an extended action, Jane takes 7 more, one for each step of the casting. She is in a world of hurt and the effect fails.
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Hypothetical2: Jane gets a few 0s, and the diff rises to 9 but she pulls it off anyway in 10 hours. Jane teleports to China without problem.

Revision as of 04:49, 12 July 2013

This is just a guideline to how I, Cross' Player, handle casting times with Cross. You are welcome to join me or laugh at me.

What is casting time?

Casting time is the amount of time it takes for your character to pull off a single arete roll. Effects can be comprised of single arete roll, or extended into multiple arete rolls. There are two main styles of casting.

1. Combat Casting - Casting within the time lines of combat (3-5 seconds per roll)

2. Ritual Casting - Casting outside of combat. (One hour(ish) per roll)

Each one has an advantage and a disadvantage as described below.

Combat Casting

Combat Casting is when you cast at the speed of combat. This is one arete roll per round of combat. Combat casting is quick and dirty, and as a result it has a penalty that does not apply to ritual casting. Every roll after the first roll increases the diff by 1 unless you achieve the full intended effect. (As listed on Mage charts under the Degrees of Success option.)

Here is a guideline to an example of all the steps of Combat Casting.

EXAMPLE:

Step1: Declare intention.

Example: Jane wants to throw a prime bolt at John, for 4 damage.

Step2: Math it out.

Example: Jane needs 3 successes. 1 to target John, 2 for effect. Cost of one quint (For prime)

Step3: Roll it.

Example: Jane rolls Arete 3 at Diff 7(vulgar4+3prime). She gets 1 success.

Step4: Use Chart to determine what Jane can now do.

Example: She can continue trying to cast to finish the spell, but at a +1 difficulty to the roll. Or, she can stop. If she stops, a minor and trivial thing happens. (She doesn't have enough successes to do more then target John.) Lets go to hypotheticals.

Hypothetical1: Jane rolls again, at difficulty 8 now. She gets 2 successes. She now gets to unleash the fully intended effect, and it took her 2 rounds to do. 4 damage to John.

Hypothetical2: Jane rolls again, at Difficulty 8. She only gets one success. She can now go to difficulty 9 and try again, or unleash the effect with a 'semifunctional' state. I tend to rule this as going off weaker then intended. (2 successes: 1 to target person, 1 for 2 damage).

Ritual Casting

Ritual Casting is when your character takes a great length of time to focus and work on his or her effect. This can be anywhere from an hour to hours per roll of arete. This is used best with the assistance of other mages or acolytes to perform the ritual. described in almost every rote or extended effect that involves a lot of work. (The Iron Avatar Rote, summoning in powerful Umbroods, breaking the Dreamshell, etc, etc). Mechanics for it can be a bit harder to find. Here is what I use.

- Every roll takes one hour minimum.

- The -1 difficulty for taking 'several turns' would not apply in this case, as you are already taking several hundred turns per roll. Alternatively, sure it can apply! But it might be something crazy like a day per roll of arete.

- The difficulty of an arete roll does not increase unless a Mage botches or garners 0 successes on an arete roll. At which point, it increases by 1.

- You may only ritual for a number of hours(arete rolls) equal to your temporary willpower at the moment you start the effect.

- If you have High Ritual (Guide to traditions) you may roll High Ritual + Stamina, and treat your willpower as 1 higher for each success. This can only be done once, at the beginning of the ritual.

- If you want to cast beyond the limit of your stamina, you roll stamina+high ritual vs 6 for the first hour beyond your limit. Then vs 7 for the second, vs 8 for the third, vs 9 for the fourth, vs 10 for the fifth. At this point, you can not cast any more without expending 1 WP per roll (Taking away the ability to use the WP to gain an auto-success/recover from botch on the casting)

EXAMPLE:

Step1: Declare intention.

Example: Jane wants to teleport herself to China

Step2: Math it out.

Example: Jane needs .... 9 successes? Sure, lets say 9.

Step3: Roll it.

Example: Jane rolls Arete 3 at Diff 7(vulgar4+3corr). She gets 1 success.

Step4: Keep rolling it.

Example: Jane rolls Arete 3 at Diff 7(vulgar4+3corr). She gets 2 successes.

Step5: Keep on doing this until she gets total required successes.

Hypothetical1: Jane gets up to 7 successes(On 6 rolls, requiring 6 hours) then she botches. She spends one WP to avoid the botch, and drops to 6 successes. She continues to roll, and botches again. Now she has a total of 7 hours into the casting. She takes paradox equal to 7(number of rolls)+Standard amount for botching a vulgar sphere3 effect.

Hypothetical2: Jane gets a few 0s, and the diff rises to 9 but she pulls it off anyway in 10 hours. Jane teleports to China without problem.