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* Restricted to vampires.
 
* Restricted to vampires.
 
* Clan-specific are restricted to that clan.
 
* Clan-specific are restricted to that clan.
 +
** "Clan-specific" may be interpreted based on canon text.
 +
** Example: Doubletalk "This is not one of the great, deep secrets of the clan: Some Tremere and Malkavians have also mastered the technique..."
 
* Others are restricted/disallowed at staff discretion.
 
* Others are restricted/disallowed at staff discretion.
 
* If canon is missing an XP cost, it's 3 XP per prerequisite dot.
 
* If canon is missing an XP cost, it's 3 XP per prerequisite dot.
 
* For Awareness checks, use the highest level among its prerequisites.
 
* For Awareness checks, use the highest level among its prerequisites.
 +
* If you bought one but it doesn't show up on +sheet, remind staff to set Has Combination Disciplines = 1.
  
 
Combination disciplines already in play on CoH:
 
Combination disciplines already in play on CoH:
  
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{| class="wikitable"
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{| class="wikitable sortable" border="1"
 
!Discipline
 
!Discipline
 
!Level
 
!Level
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|2
 
|2
 
|14
 
|14
−
|
+
|any
 
|Auspex 2
 
|Auspex 2
 
|Road of Kings 72
 
|Road of Kings 72
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|Dominate 5, Presence 5
 
|Dominate 5, Presence 5
 
|Counsel of Primogen 104
 
|Counsel of Primogen 104
 +
|-
 +
|Armor of Darkness
 +
|4
 +
|15
 +
|Lasombra
 +
|Obtenebration 4, Fortitude 2
 +
|Dark Ages Companion 87
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Armory of the Abyss
 
|Armory of the Abyss
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|(Potence 3 and/or Fortitude 3), Obtenebration 3
 
|(Potence 3 and/or Fortitude 3), Obtenebration 3
 
|Players Guide to High Clans 163
 
|Players Guide to High Clans 163
 +
|-
 +
|Aura of Inescapeable <!-- sic --> Truth
 +
|4
 +
|21
 +
|
 +
|Dominate 4, Presence 4
 +
|Libellus Sanguinis I 95
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Bliss
 
|Bliss
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|Protean 3, Vicissitude 3
 
|Protean 3, Vicissitude 3
 
|Guide to the Sabbat 123
 
|Guide to the Sabbat 123
 +
|-
 +
|Brace for Impact
 +
|4
 +
|21
 +
|Sabbat
 +
|Fortitude 4, Potence 2
 +
|Mexico City by Night 115
 +
|-
 +
|Burning Wrath
 +
|3
 +
|15
 +
|Brujah
 +
|Celerity 3, Potence 3
 +
|Brujah 66
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Catch a Whiff of Madness
 
|Catch a Whiff of Madness
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|Dementation 2, Auspex 3
 
|Dementation 2, Auspex 3
 
|Counsel of Primogen 102
 
|Counsel of Primogen 102
 +
|-
 +
|Clarity of Emptiness
 +
|2
 +
|14
 +
|Lasombra
 +
|Auspex 1, Obtenebration 2
 +
|High Clans 165
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Claw Immunity
 
|Claw Immunity
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|Animalism 2, Fortitude 4
 
|Animalism 2, Fortitude 4
 
|Gangrel 72
 
|Gangrel 72
 +
|-
 +
|Conquering Blood
 +
|5
 +
|35
 +
|Tzimisce
 +
|Vicissitude 5, Dominate 5
 +
|High Clans 166
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Dark Steel
 
|Dark Steel
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|2
 
|2
 
|10
 
|10
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|Toreador et al <!-- "This is not one of the great, deep secrets of the clan. Some Tremere and Malkavians have also mastered the technique..." -->
+
|any <!-- "This is not one of the great, deep secrets of the clan. Some Tremere and Malkavians have also mastered the technique..." -->
 
|Auspex 2, Celerity 1, Obfuscate 1 <!-- Pen and Paper index incorrectly lists Auspex 3 -->
 
|Auspex 2, Celerity 1, Obfuscate 1 <!-- Pen and Paper index incorrectly lists Auspex 3 -->
 
|Toreador 75
 
|Toreador 75
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|5
 
|5
 
|35
 
|35
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|High Clans
+
|Lasombra
 
|Obtenebration 5, Dominate 5
 
|Obtenebration 5, Dominate 5
 
|Players Guide to High Clans 166
 
|Players Guide to High Clans 166
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|Celerity 2, Fortitude 2
 
|Celerity 2, Fortitude 2
 
|Assamite 71
 
|Assamite 71
 +
|-
 +
|Guardian Vigil
 +
|1
 +
|15
 +
|
 +
|Auspex 1, Celerity 1, Fortitude 1
 +
|Guide to the Anarchs 160
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Instantaneous Transformation (Obtenebration)
 
|Instantaneous Transformation (Obtenebration)
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| Potence 3, Presence 3
 
| Potence 3, Presence 3
 
| Brujah 66
 
| Brujah 66
 +
|-
 +
| Loki's Gift
 +
| 4
 +
| 28
 +
| Low Clans
 +
| Animalism 4, Dominate 4
 +
| Players Guide to Low Clans 162
 
|-
 
|-
 
| Measure the Will
 
| Measure the Will
 
| 2
 
| 2
 
| 14
 
| 14
−
|High Clans
+
| High Clans
 
| Auspex 2, Dominate 2
 
| Auspex 2, Dominate 2
−
|Players Guide to High Clans 168
+
| Players Guide to High Clans 168
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Mind's Eye
 
|Mind's Eye
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|Auspex 2, Dementation 2
 
|Auspex 2, Dementation 2
 
|Archons and Templars 141
 
|Archons and Templars 141
 +
|-
 +
|Retain the Quick Blood
 +
|3
 +
|15
 +
|
 +
|Celerity 3, Quietus 3
 +
|Guide to the Anarchs 161
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Sanguinary Expulsion
 
|Sanguinary Expulsion
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|Assamite sorcerer
 
|Assamite sorcerer
 
|Auspex 2, Dur-An-Ki 1
 
|Auspex 2, Dur-An-Ki 1
 +
|-
 +
|Sculpt the Flowing Wound
 +
|3
 +
|21
 +
|Tzimisce
 +
|Fortitude 3, Vicissitude 2
 +
|Players Guide to High Clans 169
 +
|-
 +
|See the True Form
 +
|4
 +
|28
 +
|Low Clans
 +
|Auspex 2, Protean 4
 +
|Players Guide to Low Clans 164
 
|-
 
|-
 
|See the True Shape
 
|See the True Shape
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|Celerity 2, Obfuscate 2
 
|Celerity 2, Obfuscate 2
 
|Assamite 72
 
|Assamite 72
 +
|-
 +
|Shadowed Eyes
 +
|3
 +
|12
 +
|Lasombra
 +
|Obtenebration 3, Auspex 3
 +
|Libellus Sanguinis I 33
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Shape of All Beasts
 
|Shape of All Beasts
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|Dominate 3, Obtenebration 3
 
|Dominate 3, Obtenebration 3
 
|Lasombra 72
 
|Lasombra 72
 +
|-
 +
|Smothering Darkness
 +
|2
 +
|9
 +
|Lasombra
 +
|Obtenebration 2, Obfuscate 1
 +
|Libellus Sanguinis I 33
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Soul Painting
 
|Soul Painting
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|Auspex 4, Presence 2
 
|Auspex 4, Presence 2
 
|Toreador 74
 
|Toreador 74
 +
|-
 +
|Spectral Puppeteer
 +
|5
 +
|35
 +
|Tremere
 +
|Auspex 5, Dominate 5
 +
|Players Guide to Low Clans 166
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Stunning Awe
 
|Stunning Awe
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|Dominate 2, Presence 2
 
|Dominate 2, Presence 2
 
|Players Guide to High Clans 169
 
|Players Guide to High Clans 169
 +
|-
 +
|Suck It Up
 +
|2
 +
|9
 +
|
 +
|Animalism 1, Protean 2
 +
|Guide to the Anarchs 162
 +
|-
 +
|Tenebrous Veil
 +
|1
 +
|6
 +
|<!-- Anarch? if so, refund any exceptions -->
 +
|Obtenebration 1, Obfuscate 1
 +
|Guide to the Anarchs 162
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Thaumaturgical Sight
 
|Thaumaturgical Sight
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|Auspex 2, Thaumaturgy 1
 
|Auspex 2, Thaumaturgy 1
 
|Tremere 47
 
|Tremere 47
 +
|-
 +
|The Seventh Chinese Brother
 +
|5
 +
|21
 +
|
 +
|Celerity 2, Fortitude 5
 +
|Guide to the Anarchs 161
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Truth of Blood
 
|Truth of Blood
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|Potence 3, Serpentis 4
 
|Potence 3, Serpentis 4
 
|Followers of Set 69
 
|Followers of Set 69
 +
|-
 +
|Unchain the Wrathful Beast
 +
|5
 +
|35
 +
|Tzimisce
 +
|Animalism 5, Vicissitude 4
 +
|Players Guide to High Clans 170
 
|-
 
|-
 
|Vanishing
 
|Vanishing
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|Dementation 4, Obfuscate 5
 
|Dementation 4, Obfuscate 5
 
|Libellus Sanguinis IV 111
 
|Libellus Sanguinis IV 111
 +
|-
 +
|Ward the Soul's Sanctity
 +
|3
 +
|21
 +
|Road of Sin (self or PC teacher)
 +
|Auspex 2, Obfuscate 3, bonus for Presence 3
 +
|Road of Sin 70
 +
|-
 +
|Witness of Ahriman
 +
|3
 +
|21
 +
|Lasombra
 +
|Dominate 3, Obtenebration 3
 +
|High Clans 170
 
|}
 
|}
  
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Restriction can be by Clan or Sect or both.
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Restriction can be by Clan, Sect, and/or Road/Path.
 
* High Clans: Brujah, Lasombra, Toreador, Tzimisce, Ventrue (Giovanni will be evaluated on request)
 
* High Clans: Brujah, Lasombra, Toreador, Tzimisce, Ventrue (Giovanni will be evaluated on request)
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* Low Clans: Assamite, Followers of Set, Gangrel, Malkavian, Nosferatu, Ravnos, Tremere
+
* Low Clans: Assamite, Followers of Set, Gangrel, Malkavian, Nosferatu, Ravnos, Tremere, others at ST discretion (PGtLC 158)
 +
* Road of Sin: Path of Cathari also qualifies (Chaining the Beast 50)
  
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Not in game yet reviewed on case by case basis
+
Not in game yet, reviewed on case by case basis
 
* Probably allowed: Revised era combination disciplines
 
* Probably allowed: Revised era combination disciplines
 
* Might be allowed: 2nd Edition, Dark Ages: Vampire
 
* Might be allowed: 2nd Edition, Dark Ages: Vampire
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** Gangrel rolls (Charisma + Animal Ken + Willpower).
 
** Gangrel rolls (Charisma + Animal Ken + Willpower).
 
** If some but not all opponents are Garou (shifters): Gangrel rolls (Charisma + Animal Ken) and (Willpower) separately. Only half their successes from Charisma + Animal Ken (rounded down) count against Garou.
 
** If some but not all opponents are Garou (shifters): Gangrel rolls (Charisma + Animal Ken) and (Willpower) separately. Only half their successes from Charisma + Animal Ken (rounded down) count against Garou.
 +
* Doubletalk
 +
** Merely knowing of the existence of Doubletalk is not enough to detect or understand compressed sentences.
 
* Instantaneous Transformation
 
* Instantaneous Transformation
 
** A Vicissitude variation is available. Other variations may be +requested.
 
** A Vicissitude variation is available. Other variations may be +requested.

Latest revision as of 19:51, 5 December 2022

  • Restricted to vampires.
  • Clan-specific are restricted to that clan.
    • "Clan-specific" may be interpreted based on canon text.
    • Example: Doubletalk "This is not one of the great, deep secrets of the clan: Some Tremere and Malkavians have also mastered the technique..."
  • Others are restricted/disallowed at staff discretion.
  • If canon is missing an XP cost, it's 3 XP per prerequisite dot.
  • For Awareness checks, use the highest level among its prerequisites.
  • If you bought one but it doesn't show up on +sheet, remind staff to set Has Combination Disciplines = 1.

Combination disciplines already in play on CoH:

Discipline Level XP cost Restriction Prerequisite(s) Reference
Alpha Glint 4 20 Gangrel Animalism 4, Fortitude 3 Counsel of Primogen 104
Anticipatory Locution 4 20 Auspex 4, Obfuscate 3, Anticipatory Visage Archons and Templars 142
Anticipatory Visage 4 24 Auspex 4, Obfuscate 3 Archons and Templars 142
An Ear for Lies 2 14 any Auspex 2 Road of Kings 72
Approximation of Loyalty Absolute 5 30 Ventrue Dominate 5, Presence 5 Counsel of Primogen 104
Armor of Darkness 4 15 Lasombra Obtenebration 4, Fortitude 2 Dark Ages Companion 87
Armory of the Abyss 3 21 Lasombra (Potence 3 and/or Fortitude 3), Obtenebration 3 Players Guide to High Clans 163
Aura of Inescapeable Truth 4 21 Dominate 4, Presence 4 Libellus Sanguinis I 95
Bliss 3 14 Toreador Dominate 2, Presence 3 Toreador 73
Blood Tempering 4 15 Assamite Fortitude 2, Quietus 4 Libellus Sanguinis III 66
Body Armory 3 20 Protean 3, Vicissitude 3 Guide to the Sabbat 123
Brace for Impact 4 21 Sabbat Fortitude 4, Potence 2 Mexico City by Night 115
Burning Wrath 3 15 Brujah Celerity 3, Potence 3 Brujah 66
Catch a Whiff of Madness 3 15 Malkavian Dementation 2, Auspex 3 Counsel of Primogen 102
Clarity of Emptiness 2 14 Lasombra Auspex 1, Obtenebration 2 High Clans 165
Claw Immunity 4 18 Gangrel Animalism 2, Fortitude 4 Gangrel 72
Conquering Blood 5 35 Tzimisce Vicissitude 5, Dominate 5 High Clans 166
Dark Steel 3 18 Lasombra Obtenebration 3, Potence 3 Libellus Sanguinis I 33
Denial of Aphrodite's Favor 3 20 Ventrue Dominate 3, Fortitude 3 Ventrue 77
Distant Friend 4 20 Ventrue Dominate 2, Presence 4 Counsel of Primogen 104
Doubletalk 2 10 any Auspex 2, Celerity 1, Obfuscate 1 Toreador 75
Echo of the Subtle Vizier 2 14 Lasombra Obtenebration 2, Dominate 2 Players Guide to High Clans 165
Eminence of Shade 5 35 Lasombra Obtenebration 5, Dominate 5 Players Guide to High Clans 166
Fenris' Talons 2 14 Low Clans Fortitude 2, Protean 2 Players Guide to Low Clans 160
Flaying Touch 2 14 Tzimisce Potence 2, Vicissitude 2 Players Guide to High Clans 167
Forced March 2 12 Assamite Celerity 2, Fortitude 2 Assamite 71
Guardian Vigil 1 15 Auspex 1, Celerity 1, Fortitude 1 Guide to the Anarchs 160
Instantaneous Transformation (Obtenebration) 5 24 Celerity 2, Obtenebration 5 Archons and Templars 143
Instantaneous Transformation (Protean) 5 24 Celerity 2, Protean 5 Archons and Templars 143
Instantaneous Transformation (Vicissitude) 5 24 Celerity 2, Vicissitude 5 Archons and Templars 143
Iron Heart 3 18 Brujah Potence 3, Presence 3 Brujah 66
Loki's Gift 4 28 Low Clans Animalism 4, Dominate 4 Players Guide to Low Clans 162
Measure the Will 2 14 High Clans Auspex 2, Dominate 2 Players Guide to High Clans 168
Mind's Eye 4 25 Auspex 4, Dominate 3 Archons and Templars 143
Mystic Sight 2 14 Tremere Auspex 2, Thaumaturgy 2 Players Guide to Low Clans 163
Phobic Affliction 3 15 Malkavian Dementation 3, Dominate 2 Counsel of Primogen 102
"Prophecy (combination discipline)" 4 10 Malkavian Auspex 4, Dementation 3 Libellus Sanguinis IV 109
Quicken Sight 2 9 Auspex 1, Celerity 2 Archons and Templars 140
Quickened Instincts 2 14 Low Clans Auspex 1, Celerity 2 Players Guide to Low Clans 163
Random Patterns 2 14 Malkavian Auspex 2, Dementation 2 Archons and Templars 141
Retain the Quick Blood 3 15 Celerity 3, Quietus 3 Guide to the Anarchs 161
Sanguinary Expulsion 3 15 Fortitude 2, (Protean or Thaumaturgy) 3 Archons and Templars 142
Scalpel Tongue 1 6 Toreador Presence 1, Celerity 1 Counsel of Primogen 102
Scent of Caine 2 14 Tremere Auspex 2, Thaumaturgy 1 Players Guide to Low Clans 164
Assamite sorcerer Auspex 2, Dur-An-Ki 1
Sculpt the Flowing Wound 3 21 Tzimisce Fortitude 3, Vicissitude 2 Players Guide to High Clans 169
See the True Form 4 28 Low Clans Auspex 2, Protean 4 Players Guide to Low Clans 164
See the True Shape 2 14 Tzimisce Auspex 2, Vicissitude 2 Players Guide to High Clans 169
Shadow Feint 2 14 Assamite Celerity 2, Obfuscate 2 Assamite 72
Shadowed Eyes 3 12 Lasombra Obtenebration 3, Auspex 3 Libellus Sanguinis I 33
Shape of All Beasts 4 24 Sabbat Protean 4, Vicissitude 3 Mexico City by Night 114
Shroud of Absence 3 18 Lasombra Dominate 3, Obtenebration 3 Lasombra 72
Smothering Darkness 2 9 Lasombra Obtenebration 2, Obfuscate 1 Libellus Sanguinis I 33
Soul Painting 4 18 Toreador Auspex 4, Presence 2 Toreador 74
Spectral Puppeteer 5 35 Tremere Auspex 5, Dominate 5 Players Guide to Low Clans 166
Stunning Awe 2 14 High Clans Dominate 2, Presence 2 Players Guide to High Clans 169
Suck It Up 2 9 Animalism 1, Protean 2 Guide to the Anarchs 162
Tenebrous Veil 1 6 Obtenebration 1, Obfuscate 1 Guide to the Anarchs 162
Thaumaturgical Sight 2 6 Tremere Auspex 2, Thaumaturgy 1 Tremere 47
The Seventh Chinese Brother 5 21 Celerity 2, Fortitude 5 Guide to the Anarchs 161
Truth of Blood 4 15 Assamite Auspex 4, Quietus 2 Libellus Sanguinis III 66
Typhonic Beast 4 21 Followers of Set Potence 3, Serpentis 4 Followers of Set 69
Unchain the Wrathful Beast 5 35 Tzimisce Animalism 5, Vicissitude 4 Players Guide to High Clans 170
Vanishing 5 20 Malkavian Dementation 4, Obfuscate 5 Libellus Sanguinis IV 111
Ward the Soul's Sanctity 3 21 Road of Sin (self or PC teacher) Auspex 2, Obfuscate 3, bonus for Presence 3 Road of Sin 70
Witness of Ahriman 3 21 Lasombra Dominate 3, Obtenebration 3 High Clans 170

Restriction can be by Clan, Sect, and/or Road/Path.

  • High Clans: Brujah, Lasombra, Toreador, Tzimisce, Ventrue (Giovanni will be evaluated on request)
  • Low Clans: Assamite, Followers of Set, Gangrel, Malkavian, Nosferatu, Ravnos, Tremere, others at ST discretion (PGtLC 158)
  • Road of Sin: Path of Cathari also qualifies (Chaining the Beast 50)

Not in game yet, reviewed on case by case basis

  • Probably allowed: Revised era combination disciplines
  • Might be allowed: 2nd Edition, Dark Ages: Vampire
  • Probably not allowed: 1st Edition, Kindred of the Ebon Kingdom, Vampire the Dark Ages
  • Don't even try: Vampire 20th Anniversary or 5th Edition, foreign language quasi official supplements, homebrews
  • House rule: If XP cost is missing in the book, it's 3 per prerequisite dot

Individual clarifications:

  • Alpha Glint
    • Gangrel rolls (Charisma + Animal Ken + Willpower).
    • If some but not all opponents are Garou (shifters): Gangrel rolls (Charisma + Animal Ken) and (Willpower) separately. Only half their successes from Charisma + Animal Ken (rounded down) count against Garou.
  • Doubletalk
    • Merely knowing of the existence of Doubletalk is not enough to detect or understand compressed sentences.
  • Instantaneous Transformation
    • A Vicissitude variation is available. Other variations may be +requested.
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